“Child’s Host” State Senator: Torture Justified “no matter what body parts are lost in the process”

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    Just keep in mind when reading the following that this same guy, Virginia State Senator Steve Martin (R-of course!), is the same guy who referred to pregnant women as a “child’s host” (“some refer to them as mothers”), and who said that the majority of Americans who support a woman’s right to choose are “really sick people.” Also interesting is how Martin uses his religion to justify whatever extreme views he holds, even if nothing whatsoever in said religion conforms to those views (e.g., where in the Gospels does Jesus preach that torture is justified? where in the Gospels does Jesus preach that abortion is murder? uhhhh.).  Anyway, no matter how you look at it, this is some seriously warped, demented s***, unworthy of any American (or human being), let alone a State Senator. Ugh.

    Steve Martin Beth: First, I’ve not acknowledged or represented interrogation techniques which are not intended to cause physical harm as being “torture.” The techniques others keep raising as used by the Japanese, Vietnamese, etc. were intended to cause physical harm without concern for it causing death. The techniques being discussed as part of the US CIA arsenal do not fit that description. As a matter of fact, our special forces go through it and more in training because we know it will not cause them physical harm. I’m not prepared to quote chapter and verse on this, but as you know there are scriptures speaking to loving your neighbors as ourselves, coming to their defense at our own expense, defense of a country and its people, etc.. Do you believe Christ would have us know that 3000 innocent people were about to be killed by a particular person and not do what was within our means to prevent it? What if preventing it involved shooting the person who was about to push a detonation button? If so, why would shooting him be okay but not making him think for a few moments that he might drown? What about the issue of shooting someone who has been shooting at you and those in your home? Even if we were in fact taking the threat’s life (we’re not, not even putting it at risk) it would be no different than ending the life that is threatening ours. An argument to the contrary would make sense only if you believe that you are never to defend yourself, your family, neighbors, or nation.

    P.S. Note that if you go Martin’s Facebook page, you’ll find a lot of support for his position on torture. For instance, one person writes, “Gonads in a vice? I have no problem with that…..whatever it takes to protect/save loved ones.” And another fine fan of Martin’s writes, “On board to water board and more if that’s what it takes ( and apparently it does )… urghhhhh. Idiots. .. ” It’s also fun, in a weird kind of way, watching Martin tie himself into logical knots attempting to explain why it’s ok to give the government, which he generally seems to believe is evil and should have very limited powers, the power to torture and even kill people, even if it’s illegal (which it is), immoral (which it is), unChristian (which it is), etc. With that, check out the screen shot of what Martin posted, and also the following comment he left in the discussion thread.

    P.P.S. Martin also claims in another Facebook thread that “those among the 31% [of Americans who oppose the CIA’s methods] should not be operating heavy equipment or have access to scissors.”

    • pol

      I can’t help but believe that FOX produced this show with Dick Cheney in mind, as a means to change public opinion about torture.

    • ir003436

      I’m a retired Army officer — several years an Infantry soldier then transferred to Military Intelligence for medical reasons related to wounds received in Vietnam.

      To keep it short — during my last few years in uniform, I commanded a small Pentagon-based unit with a worldwide mission that involved interrogating people, some of whom were not nice people.

      Working for me were four seasoned interrogators — Bob D., Will, Bob H. (died of heart attack while working for me), and Si.

      Bob D. and Will had between them 15 years in Vietnam as interrogators.  Bob H. and Si were not far behind.  Their experience ranged from battlefield, tactical interrogation to interrogating very high-level VC and NVA defectors and captives who were moved to locations outside Vietnam.

      During my tenure — 1986 – 1990 — we interrogated some nasty sonsabitches and not once did we inflict any kind of pain or discomfort.  We did keep a few people in safe houses in rural areas where they never knew where they were or whether it was day or night but absolutely no physical violence was used.  We got the info we needed and then some.

      From Dick Cheney on down, all these assholes calling for and supporting “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” are a bunch of fucking wannabees, amateurs, and chickenhawks who never heard a shot fired in their direction.

      After the Senate interrogation report was released, I called Bob D. (age 81, retired to CA with his grand- and great-grandchildren), Will (rural NE Maryland, tending his rose garedn), and Si (north Mississippi, raising Japanese bobtail cats) and asked their opinions.  They were sickened and pissed off because a gaggle of amateurs have given us professionals a bad name.

      Sorry for the rant but it’s late and I’ve been drinking.