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Monday News: “Trump has already been ‘played’”; “For the sake of journalism, stop the White House correspondents’ dinner”; “Pipeline will probably kill people”

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by Lowell

Here are a few national and Virginia news headlines, political and otherwise, for Monday, April 30.

  • Ex-Republican Now Democrat

    I think the WHCA bears responsibility for hiring her. The jokes were in very bad taste; vulgar and embarrassing. This did not look well and I cringed more than a few times at the language and personal not-funny and vicious attacks. What happened to “when they go low, we go high?”

    • Andy Schmookler

      My thoughts are in much the same vein,

      I’ve read some pushback against those who criticized Michele Wolf’s talk– pushback couched as if the criticism were some sort of attack on free speech.

      The problems with Wolf’s performance was not that she went after people who ought not be lampooned. The problem is that her routine was crude and unpleasant and lacking in grace or comic skill.

      If one compares her comic performance with, say, that of Barack Obama a few years back, the contrast could hardly be greater. Obama wielded a scalpel, Wolf a rusty and dull blade. Or perhaps a better metaphor: Obama’s wit was like the barbs of a picador, while Wolf attacked with a sledge hammer.

      Wolf was nasty and crude in a forum and form where deft and skillful are essential to the task.

      • Rational Lefty

        I wonder why they couldn’t get Jimmy Kimmel or someone famous to come?

      • Pragmatic Progressive

        Exactly! I contrasted it with Obama and I much prefer how he did it.

    • Pragmatic Progressive

      This is yet another bad symptom of our reality show culture. Those programs have made our country ruder and cruder.

    • AFF

      Michelle Wolf is a comedian.

      Michelle Obama was the First Lady.

      Their roles and responsibilities could not be more different.

      • Southern Liberal

        Huh? You don’t make any sense? What does Michelle Obama have to do with it?

        • AFF

          “when they go low, we go high?”

          was said by whom?

          Hint- it wasn’t a comedian

          • And sadly, it looks like she was wrong.

          • Rustbelt Democrat

            You may feel that she was wrong but not all of us liberals/progressives/Democrats feel that way. Not all of us believe in eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth type of fighting.

          • AFF

            Joe Wilson screaming at Obama during the State of the Union is a perfect example. Playing it cool, letting it go and turning the other cheek didn’t yield any results.

          • AFF

            I gotta admit- I fault Obama for not unsheathing his sword more often. I was cool with Michelle ‘going high’, but I often wished Barrack would have climbed down and crushed the Joe Wilson types from time to time.

          • Stephen Colbert on Michelle Wolf

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8gE20TW1n4

          • AFF

            No better to know than Cobert- they went after him when he hosted.

  • Southern Liberal

    It was more than just the Sarah Sanders thing. Dropping multiple F bombs was not funny. The abortion joke was tasteless, as was the comment about the
    exploding SW Airlines engine.

    • Pragmatic Progressive

      Exactly! Going for pure shock-value was her worst mistake.

      • Princess Leia

        That’s why I can’t stand shock jocks.

  • Rustbelt Democrat

    Joy Reid had to apologize this weekend for writing anti-LGBTQ posts on her old blog.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joy-reid-hacking-scandal_us_5ae4ab77e4b055fd7fcc3ec2

    Her show is one I like on MSNBC. I was rather shocked to learn that she had done this.

    • Yep. By the way, any particular reason you keep posting under different pseudonyms? Please pick one and stick with it. Thanks.

      • Rustbelt Democrat

        We’re all members of the same household and share the same email.

        • So we’ve got “Rustbelt Democrat ,” “Southern Liberal,” “Pragmatic Progressive,” “Rational Lefty,” “Ex-Republican Now Democrat” and “Princess Leia” all on one email address? Kinda hard to believe; for starters, I’ve never heard of six people sharing one email address. Note that on other blogs like Daily Kos (https://www.dailykos.com/rules-of-the-road), creating multiple identities is a bannable offense. Same here.

          • Princess Leia

            Rustbelt is telling the truth. Our family shares the same email.

          • Six different people share the same email address?

          • Southern Liberal

            Yes.

          • Rustbelt Democrat

            Pragmatic and I are married. The rest are our oldest kids, two from her previous marriage, two from my previous marriage. We have an email to conduct business but we don’t want to use that for posting on blogs.

      • Princess Leia

        Mostly we just read here, only posting on occasion.

  • AFF

    I thought the entire piece was hilarious though I did cringe from time to time. Watching people get roasted in person is cringeworthy- part of what makes it funny. I listened to it while driving, then Mrs AFF and I watched it on the TeeVee. It will go down as one my favorites, next to Cobert’s “reality has a well known liberal bias” bit.

    Was it over the line? Um, no.

    The thing is, there is no line in comedy. The line is imaginary. Was it vulgar? Sure- kinda like the comedians I grew up with in the 70s and 80s. Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy….. Frankly, I can’t think of a comedian worth his salt that isn’t a little vulgar from time to time.

    I’m kinda getting tired of pansy ass hand wringers wanting to sugar coat the shit sandwich we’re being served. This is how many people talk in the real world. This how politicians talk when no one is listening. We all know this- why do some insist on pretending otherwise? Are we chasing the mythical family values voters? The Trump 37%ers?

    Michelle Wolf walked in and deservingly roasted practically every single person in the room (and no, she didn’t pick on any women for their appearances) Most people can’t speak truth to power, even in jest. Michelle has her one gigantic pair of “thatchers” and I’d expect her routine to raise her profile significantly.

    Like my father was very fond of saying “f*ck ’em if they can’t take a joke”.

    • Thanks for this comment, I couldn’t agree more! Here are a few more comments, from the Washington Post, that got a ton of “likes” and that I liked as well.

      “Michelle Wolf got it just right, and this column did too. Someday we may have journalists not afraid of their own shadow. Until then, comedians will have to fill in.” (635 likes)

      “Oh, the badassery of Michelle Wolf. She talked about a host of subjects that are best left under the piano, horrors. Why, she even called Sarah Sanders a liar. That, & the hope that a tree might fall on Kellyanne Conway & pin her down for awhile. You could just hear the collection gasps of the crowd. Wolf cried wolf with comic truths about all the horrible inanity that’s happening with the Trump administration. I only wish she had picked on him more, though her joke about Trump groping women for loose change was pretty funny.” (292 likes)

      “My condolences to the poor, pathetic Trump snowflakes who cannot take it when their lying con man and his minions are called out.” (251 likes)

      “If the WH press corps had any unity or strength of character, they would walk out en masse every time the WH starts lying or implying they are not answering questions. Pretty hard to continue to fabricate when the room is empty and no one wants to cover you.” (215 likes)

      • Also check out this tweet by Emily Nussbaum:

        “The more I think about it, the more impressed I am that Michelle Wolf did such a harsh act WITHOUT insulting any woman’s looks. She aimed straight at the white female enforcers & never once suggested that anyone was a bimbo or a dog—like the man they work for surely would have.”

        • Southern Liberal

          These left-wing pundits aren’t reflective of how all of us on the left feel about the situation.

    • Southern Liberal

      LOL! Not everyone in the real world talks like that.

    • Rational Lefty

      Wolf’s primary problem was she wasn’t the least bit humorous.
      When a routine is not genuinely witty, but is merely intended to insult (even if it’s the truth), only the meanness sticks out. Hence, the bad reaction.
      Baldwin’s impressions of Trump are hilarious (if you’re not The Donald that is), so he gets away with his scathing views of Trump. But the difference is WIT and HUMOR.
      If Wolf had been half as humorous as Baldwin on SNL this brouhaha wouldn’t have occurred.

    • Pragmatic Progressive

      I’m a pragmatic progressive and I think what Michelle Wolf did was despicable, unnecessarily vulgar, and uncalled for. It does no good to rudely insult people and instead it causes more harm. There is way too much vulgarity and disrespect and mean spirited attacks on people today as it is, coming out of the right side of the aisle, so how can we on the left call for more civility in society when we sanction this kind of behavior? This just offends all of us on both sides of the aisle who want more decency and respect in our society and there are both Democratic and Republican partisans who can agree with each other at least on this one point, and that might give us at least one small place where we can both see eye to eye about something for a change, and one small, but very important start to ending the massive partisan divide and vicious tribalism that is destroying this country and tearing us apart. It wasn’t even funny, either. It wasn’t entertaining, it was just vulgar, rude and over the top.
      I guess it is just too hard anymore to really come up with something really funny and entertaining to say these days. Roasting people is supposed to be about us laughing WITH the people that are being roasted, not rudely insulting them and crudely laughing AT them and attacking their human vulnerabilities.
      Michelle, and all of us on the left side of the aisle need to understand also that those Trumpites and Republicans today can dish it out, but they can’t take it, so insulting them in vulgar over the top ways, even if many of them do it to those on the left every day, is only making us just as bad as they are and is adding fuel to the already overheated political debate these days when what we really need to do is stop attacking each other in hurtful ways and realize that we really do have more in common that even most of us think. Most all ordinary Americans really do all want to help our country be a better place, it is only a small minority of sociopaths and evil greedy and selfish people who are causing most of the trouble. If we are going to clean up our act as Americans, it won’t help to get into the cesspool with the vulgar Republicans, we must rise above and show more adult leadership, even in our so called humor. Wolf makes me sorely miss professional entertainers like Bob Hope and Red Skelton who could make us laugh without really offending anyone. Whatever happened to their brand of more or less G rated humor? This is one reason that I love to watch TCM old movies and I am not alone in this.
      I think some topics that Wolf could have discussed are the fact that we are in big trouble as a nation when CNN has to put a picture of an apple on TV and tell everyone that it is not a banana! When I first saw that I laughed for half an hour because it was right on, and struck me as funny, perhaps she could have done something with that idea. She could have joked in some way about how Trump is in so much denial about global warming that he better watch out or else he will soon be up to his neck in the Atlantic Ocean with a big piece of chocolate cake floating by his head that he won’t be able to eat. Or she could have joked about how the White House these days seems to be run like a reality show and that Trump has fired even more people as president than he did on the Apprentice. He is running out of people to fire these days! I am obviously not a professional comedienne but I think if she had put some more thought into her routine, rather than just resorting to crude, vulgar attacks, she could at least have been entertaining, rather than being offensive. After all everyone was really at this dinner to have a good time, not to be insulted below the belt and over the top. No wonder some people don’t want to attend.
      All Michelle Wolf accomplished was to make us on the left look even more vulgar and arrogantly elitist than ever before and irritate people on the other side of the aisle so that they will be even more disinclined to work together with us to make things better. This will just add more fuel and evidence to back up even more attacks on Hollywood and the left wing media and how disgusting and elitist we all are on the left. I was horrified, embarrassed, and ashamed by her behavior.

      • Ex-Republican Now Democrat

        Thank you Pragmatic for speaking your mind and being willing to stand up against the lynch mob mentality that is on display here. Your comments were spot on. It will serve no useful purpose to get down into the gutter with the malevolent Trump. Just ask Marco Rubio. We can still make our voices heard but in a way that doesn’t turn off three quarters of the population.

      • Southern Liberal

        Amen to that!

        • Princess Leia

          MSNBC has added ex-Republicans and Never Trumpers to be commentators and hosts. Quite frankly, I find what they say to be sane.

          • Pragmatic Progressive

            Some liberals don’t like that, but I like being exposed to viewpoints other than our own, as long as they are sensible. Nicole Wallace’s show has become one of my favorites of their daytime schedule.

          • Rustbelt Democrat

            Nicole is what Republicans used to be. The right has now gone so far away from the sane end that they are
            unrecognizable to those of us who have been around for a while.

          • Princess Leia

            Speaking of ex-Republicans, Richard Painter is running for Al Franken’s seat as a Democrat.

            https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/richard-painter-running-for-al-franken-s-seat-says-the-senator-deserved-better-1222575171865

    • Pragmatic Progressive

      When it comes to politics and religion, my family and I are liberal but when it comes to entertainment, is where my family and I are conservative. Music we listen to is pretty much PG. Most of our movies are PG-13.

      • Southern Liberal

        In my interactions with friends, neighbors, etc., I have come to learn that not everyone is completely liberal nor completely conservative.

      • Princess Leia

        I side with this from Daily Kos. This is a joke that Ms. Wolf did on Seth Rogan’s Netflix charity show. Still too vulgar for me. This isn’t the kind of comedian I believe in supporting as a liberal.

        https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/29/1760794/-We-Shouldn-t-Defend-Michelle-Wolf

        • Rational Lefty

          The type of channel is part of the reason for the outrage. Netflix or HBO are ok to do the vulgar act because they aren’t mainstream TV channels. You don’t turn on C-SPAN and expect to hear the F word multiple times.

          • Southern Liberal

            Very, very true. That’s why it’s important to know your viewing audience.

  • Pragmatic Progressive

    I feel like we are playing the roles of extras in Trump’s X rated movie.

  • Joanie Wilson

    You people are really bizarre and sad.