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Nuclear Power Plant Explosion in Japan; A Few Thoughts

by: lowkell

Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 07:54:01 AM EST



According to Stratfor, "A March 12 explosion at the earthquake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Okuma, Japan, appears to have caused a reactor meltdown." According to Stratfor, "events in Japan bear many similarities to the 1986 Chernobyl disaster," with concerns that if the floor of the containment vessel has cracked - the "nightmare scenario for a nuclear power event" - the situation goes from "merely dangerous, time consuming and expensive to nearly impossible." As if that's not all bad enough, the Washington Post reports that "Japanese authorities had declared a state of emergency for the five reactors at two nuclear power complexes as military and utility officials scrambled to tame rising pressure and radioactivity levels inside the units and stabilize the systems used to cool the plants' hot reactor cores."

All of this once again raises serious questions about the safety of nuclear power, just as occurred after the Three Mile Island accident in 1979 and the Chernobyl disaster in 1986. Each of these incidents caused major setbacks to the nuclear power industry, and the current situation in Japan - which, according to EIA, "has 54 operating nuclear reactors with a total installed generating capacity of around 49 GW, making it the third-largest nuclear power generator in the world behind the United States and France" - is likely to do the same.

lowkell :: Nuclear Power Plant Explosion in Japan; A Few Thoughts
Here in the United States, we have "104 commercial nuclear reactors at 65 nuclear power plants in 31 States," producing about 20% of U.S. total electricity. Here in Virginia, we have two operating nuclear facilities - North Anna, in Louisa County; and Surry, in Surry County - accounting for "almost a third of Virginia's total generation." The North Anna facility generates 1,806 megawatts from two pressurized light water reactors. The Surry facility has two pressurized light water reactors as well, each with capacity of 799 megawatts.

Could an accident like the one that happened in Japan occur here, in Virginia? I'd say "highly unlikely, but not impossible" (mainly because nothing's impossible). For starters, the chances of a major earthquake as occurred in Japan are miniscule here in Virginia. Second, it's hard to imagine any other natural disaster causing anything like what happened in Japan to happen here. So no, I wouldn't be particularly worried, at least not here in Virginia (states with potential for strong earthquakes, like California, are a completely different story!).

In fact, U.S. coal-fired power plants are far worse from an environmental and human health perspective than nuclear plants. For instance, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, there are nine pollutants (CO2, SO2, NOx, particulates, CO, hydrocarbons, mercury, arsenic, lead) emitted by coal burning. In addition, according to this article, we should add barium, boron, nickel, aluminum, chromium, and others (selenium, uranium), most of which is captured from smokestacks but is then dumped into waterways. Lovely, eh? And that's not even getting at the environmental and human health devastation caused by the mining of coal, particularly using the most egregious form of coal mining - mountaintop removal. Bottom line: here in Virginia at least, I'd be far more concerned about having a coal fired plant in my backyard than a nuclear plant.

Having said that, I certainly do have misgivings about nuclear power, and have not been a huge fan for a long time, even in spite of the fact that it doesn't emit greenhouse gases or require mountains to be blown to smithereens. My three main issues with nuclear power power?

First, it's extremely costly, pretty much the least "bang for the buck" of any energy source according to reports like this one. In contrast, energy efficiency - aka, "negawatts" - gives us the most bang for the buck of any other global warming solution. Energy efficiency is followed by 12 other energy sources - biomass cofiring, combined heat and power, wind, geothermal, etc. - before we finally get to nuclear power, which ranks above only "cleaner-coal"-based Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle.

Second, with Yucca Mountain apparently off the table, we have no permanent repository for radioactive waste generated by our nuclear power plants in this country. That's not acceptable over the long haul.

Third, focusing on expensive nuclear power is simply diverting resources from the areas that offer us the greatest "bang for the buck" in terms of energy: energy efficiency #1 (by far!), combined heat and power (aka, cogeneration), offshore and onshore wind power, geothermal, etc. Even putting aside safety concerns, why waste our time and money on nuclear power? Certainly, we shouldn't do so until we've exhausted all the "low hanging fruit" - energy efficiency, etc. - and that's many decades away at least, assuming we get started today on an all-out effort in that regard.

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It's been hard to interpret Japanese statements on the plant (0.00 / 0)
I wonder if that's because of a cultural difference in communication styles.

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My Concren (0.00 / 0)
My concern has always been on the long-term storage of spent fuel, plus the cost of decommissioning nuclear plants as they age. Those costs - like the social costs of coal pollution - are never factored into the kph prices that are bandied about. However, given the choice of living near a coal-fired plant or a nuclear one, I would take nuclear any day.

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"Given the choice..." (0.00 / 0)
That's the whole point, really -- these choices are far too limited, and need to be broadened out to energy efficiency, wind, solar, geothermal, wave, tidal, cogeneration, etc. Note that none of the power sources I listed have any risk of melting down or "spilling" or whatever.

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I agree wholeheartedly. Meanwhile, in my part of the state, there is a concerted effort by some residents to derail a proposed wind turbine facility that has been proposed. The dubious things they point to include: noise, some sort of supposed danger to human health from the turning blades, damage to the "viewshed", etc.

Also, there is no excuse for individuals not doing what they can to increase their efficient use of energy. That is, as you pointed out, the cheapest and easiest way to lessen our carbon footprint and to lower the need for more generating facilities.

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Right, and I'm all for "individuals" doing (0.00 / 0)
what they can. But, I'd point out --- in the end, this is NOT going to be solved by "individual" action. To the contrary, this will require that the government correct "market failure" by internalizing "externalities" such as pollution, health care costs, national security costs, etc. That, in turn, will require putting a significant price on pollution and making polluters clean up the mess they make. Until that happens, we're not likely to solve this problem, at least not in the short time frame required. Making it worse, we've still got people, even those at high levels of government (mostly Republican'ts these days), actually denying the existence of a problem. I mean, how the heck are we going to solve this problem if we can't even acknowledge, as a nation, that it exists?!?

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Interference (0.00 / 0)
My big problem with wind turbines is their interference with anything dealing with radio frequencies.  Most notable is broadcast television, which is simply demolished by wind farms; in many areas the wind companies help pay the cost of cable or satellite for people who formerly had over-the-air TV, but in Waymart PA, the company actually runs extra TV transmitters.  From WOLF-TV's Wikipedia page:

"NextEra Energy Resources operates a digital replacement translator on UHF channel 47 in Waymart, PA. This channel exists because windmills run by NextEra Energy Resources at the Waymart Wind Farm interfere with the transmission of full-power television signals."

They run 7 of these extra transmitters, one for each local TV station that people cannot receive.

In addition, it has been observed to interfere with cell phones and emergency communications which operate on frequencies similar to those of broadcast TV, though I don't have citations handy.  Given Poor Mountain's status as a communications hub in the region, this could be particularly problematic on several fronts.


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Regulatory capture (0.00 / 0)
Nuclear power plants could probably be made reasonably secure from natural disasters of even this magnitude we are seeing in Japan.  The reactor that had the explosion in Japan dated from the 70s, and is said to have been slated for retirement later this month.

However, the regulatory regime necessary to ensure that such plants are built and operated with reasonable technical safety, cannot itself be secured from regulatory capture in our present political environment.

We need to recognize that, in this country, we've already had containment breach in the human engineering safeguards that are supposed to keep the wealthy from bribing public officials.  Whatever theoretical technical safeguards there might be to any regulatory regime we put over nuclear power, the actual enforced level of security would end up being not one dollar's worth more expensive than what the supposedly regulated industry wanted.  And the industry would only be interested in safety up to the point of accidents large enough that the costs would be socialized.  

The industry wouldn't want minor accidents every day.  They don't want operating costs to rise, so the market would work to keep standards high enough that we wouldn't have frequent incidents arising under normal conditions.  But the industry would have no incentive to spend dime one on preventing contingencies that, however great the resulting disaster, they would not be liable for the consequences.

In a different world, in a world where we still had a US govt that could enforce at least the bare minimum of safety and fairness standards needed to allow a free market to operate without getting us all killed, maybe nuclear would have some part to play in getting us off fossil fuels.  But, in the world we actually live in -- no way.

It's not just nuclear power.  On one front after another, we are blocked from the most needful change, all the good options are closed off, because our form of govt has degenerated into crony capitalism.

Say what you will against the late unlamented Soviet Union, at least when the truth became increasingly clear in the 80s that their form of govt had degenerated into crony socialism, they had the courage to face that truth and change that govt.  We need glasnost and we need perestroika in this country.  I only hope that we can muster as much courage to face that fact in this land of the free and home of the brave, as a bunch of Communists did in the SU a generation ago.


Yes... (0.00 / 0)
You are quite right. As long as we have career politicians who have to prostitute themselves to get the funds to run over and over for office, it is almost impossible to keep the government representative for anyone except the rich and powerful. Then the whole thing was thrown toward further corruption by the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision. We do need glasnost and perestroika in the USA.

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About 6 months ago... (0.00 / 0)

I was talking with some folks about energy, and they were saying how we needed to build more nuclear.  My counter-argument has to do with the costs of the things.  

Especially the insurance costs - no insurance company in their right mind would write a policy for a nuclear plant when once incident could theoretically bankrupt the entire company.  You just don't have that problem with something mundane like auto insurance - accidents happen all the time, and the actuaries are able to work out what the correct costs for it should be.


Insurance Different (0.00 / 0)
Insurance for nuclear reactors does exist. In fact, the reality of the enormous cost and suffering that a nuclear meltdown would cause has led to international protocols to protect against that contingency. In the U.S., the Price-Anderson Act, first passed in 1957, established a no fault insurance system in which $12.6 billion, as of this year, is industry-funded and held in escrow. Any claims above that amount are covered by a mandate that the federal government would be responsible for the overage

Without that subsidy, there would be no nuclear industry.


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This should best be a specific discussion (0.00 / 0)
on building oceanside nuclear plants in an earthquake and tsunami-prone areas on the Pacific Ring of Fire.  The nuke plants survived the earthquake fairly well.  It was the tsunami, knocking out the primary and secondary safety systems, that did the real damage.  Apparently the backup diesel generators were all knocked out by the tsunami wave?  That's a real design issue there.

All in all, I think nuclear is a very valid way to go.  But, it has to be done carefully and logically.


The Japanese designed (0.00 / 0)
their nuclear plants with redundancy and extraordinary engineering over-design, understandable given that they alone (so far) have been subjected to nuclear war, and understood the dangers. They, too, felt as you do, that nuclear power is necessary because their economy, even more than ours, depends on importing oil. Nevertheless, they, too, have no fool-proof method of disposing of spent nuclear fuel, just as our Yucca mountain storage has been killed. There is no way in real life to over-engineer something to withstand natural disasters on a Biblical scale. and there will be losses, and they will be Biblical in size, do not doubt that, and the dangers are not limited to the Pacific ring of fire.

We therefore have to decide what are acceptable losses, and, the truth is, we cannot yet even figure out how to calculate possible losses when dealing with nuclear disasters. For these, and other reasons, I have decided that I will not after all make investments in uraniumm nor in companies which predominantly manufacture nuclear power plants, something I had been considering because of questions about the future of oil (an investor's questions, not an environmentalist's questions). Indeed, it strikes me that being guided solely by short-term profits cannot be the main guide and, in fact, has never been in history the sole guide for investment capital--- if one takes a generational long view.  


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It's a tough question (0.00 / 0)
Nuclear sounds a lot scarier than an oil spill, but in the case in Japan, if those had been oil-fired plants and after the quake and tsunami, the oil tanks had ruptured and a massive amount of fuel oil had escaped, you still have a disaster.  

There's never a 100% safe, fool-proof way of making something, be it electricity or peanut butter.  There's always pollution, there's always something messy to haul away.  


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Renewables? (0.00 / 0)
What "messy to haul away" is there from solar, wind or geothermal power?  

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There's always a waste stream (1.00 / 1)
Miles - I'm just as huge of a renewable fan as anyone. But - we must admit that there is a waste stream. The materials for the systems have to be fabricated. This fabrication can be messy - there's waste, there's injuries, even death.  

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Come on (0.00 / 0)
That's one of the least fact-based comments I've ever seen. Your argument is solar power is just as dangerous as coal mining? Wind is just as messy as drilling for oil? What's next? Summer's just as cold as winter!

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No, but if climate change continues (0.00 / 0)
winter might be as hot as summer pretty soon! heh.

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ummm no (0.00 / 0)
That's actually not my argument at all.

I'm just saying that to be completely intellectually honest we can not say that there is not waste stream for renewables.  To argue that there is not weakens the overall argument.


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40 deaths attributable to wind (0.00 / 0)
FWIW, according to wikipedia (citations on wiki page) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... - there have been 40 deaths attributable to the life cycle of wind power. Falls from towers, accidents in fabrication stage, - even a wayward parachutist!

Don't get me wrong - that's MINISCULE compared to coal mining and oil drilling (spills, explosions, black lung, etc) But, my point was simply that you can't ignore it.

Sorry you misinterpreted it as anything but support for the overall cause.  I once argued that wind power was absolutely safe compared to coal mining and was smacked down by this argument. To be successful we must plug all the holes in an argument b/c no matter how small that hole may seem, an opponent will exploit it and exploit our mistakes for their gain.


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Yes, of course (0.00 / 0)
but with all due respect, to compare the environmental implications of renewable energy production and consumption to fossil fuel production and consumption is utterly absurd.

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I didn't do that (0.00 / 0)
just a reminder that there is always waste, there's always danger.  

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Yes, "there's always..." (0.00 / 0)
...but that doesn't mean it's significant of particularly worth worrying about. In the case of wind and solar, let alone energy efficiency, there's extremely little to worry about compared to fossil fuels and nuclear. I mean, like 0.00001% the "waste stream" of coal-fired power plants, which put out reams of CO2, CO, SOX, NOX, particulates, and heavy metals (not the rock music, unfortunately) and tear apart the environment to get the raw materials to fuel them.

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agreed (0.00 / 0)
Miles asked a question - I answered - but apparently that was unproductive. Sheesh.

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The challenge online is that (0.00 / 0)
we don't really know each other, don't know where we're coming from exactly, can't read body language, etc. It's a major feature of the medium, for better or for (mostly) worse. It definitely can lead to misunderstandings, even more than face-to-face.

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Very, very little (0.00 / 0)
Miniscule compared to fossil fuels.

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Whose logic? Whose care? (0.00 / 0)
"But, it has to be done carefully and logically."

The logic of profit dictates against expensive safety precautions for contingencies that the owning corporation will not assume liability for.  It was perfectly logical for the corporation that owned this plant to not spend money on a high enough seawall protecting those generators, because they have it set up in Japan so that the govt assumes liability in disasters of this magnitude.

I am certainly no expert in Japanese govt, and am more than willing to be corrected by any poster here who does have more knowledge, but overall, their govt impresses me as a much more reliable protector of their public interest than the US govt has been in a generation.

We simply no longer have in this country a govt capable of exercising the care, of enforcing on large corporations a logic of safety over the logic of profit, that we would need to operate nuclear power facilities in this country with any safety.

We need human engineering solutions to deal with the problem of regulatory capture, before we will see nuclear power engineering solutions to safety problems applied with logic and care in this country.  Until we get those human engineering solutions in place, talk of logic and care in operating nuclear power plants is pure speculative fiction.


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