I personally would characterize Bannon as more of a “white nationalist” than a “Nazi,” and in general I think we should all be really careful about throwing around words like that. Plus, “white nationalist” is bad enough! But I would certainly agree that Trump ran a “campaign based on hate.” Regardless, it’s really really not a good situation…

![[UPDATED 1/29/26] Audio: Sen. Tim Kaine Talks to Blue Virginia About His “Five-Point Plan” to Fight Trump’s Orban-Like Assault on US Democracy; Civil Disobedience a la MLK Jr.; Trump’s Bogus “Energy Emergency”; the Crucial Importance of the 2025 VA Elections; etc.](https://bluevirginia.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/kaineinterview2-238x178.jpg)






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