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Video: President Obama in Newport News Says “I need you, Virginia, to keep up the pressure”

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Transcript courtesy of Jed Lewison and Daily Kos:

In order for us to make that happen, I’m going to need you. The one thing about being president is that after four years you get pretty humble. You’d think that maybe you wouldn’t, but actually you become more humble. You realize what you don’t know. You realize all the mistakes you make.

But you also realize you can’t do things by yourself. That’s not how our system works. You’ve got to have the help and the goodwill of Congress, and what that means is you’ve got to make sure that constituents of members of congress are putting some pressure on-making sure they’re doing the right thing. Putting an end to some of these political games.

So I need you, Virginia, to keep up the pressure. I need you to keep up the effort. I need you to keep up the fight. If you do, Congress will listen. If you stand up and speak out Congress will listen, and together we’ll unleash our true potential and we’ll remind the world just why it is the United States builds the greatest ships on Earth and is the greatest nation on Earth. Thank you, God bless you, and God bless the United States of America.

Mark Herring: “Obenshain and Bell are Cuccinelli Clones”

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From the Mark Herring for AG campaign:

 

Think Cuccinelli is Outside the Mainstream of Virginia? Obenshain and Bell are Cuccinelli Clones
Herring The Only AG Candidate With A Record Of Working To Get Things Done In Virginia

Leesburg – A February 25 story in Politico highlighted the difficulty extreme right-wing Attorney General and Republican candidate for Governor Ken Cuccinelli is having attracting support from mainstream business leaders.

While the Cuccinelli campaign is trying to pretend like mainstream support doesn’t matter in purple Virginia, the two Republicans running for Attorney General are trying to prove they are more like Cuccinelli than the other.

During Mark Obenshain’s press conference announcing he was running for Attorney General, he said he believes that the “attorney general’s done a great job.”

If that weren’t enough, Obenshain bragged about the old days serving in the State Senate with Ken Cuccinelli. The two right-wing conservatives were seatmates and in 2004 “literally were not allowed to go to Republican caucus meetings” because they were trying to defeat then-Governor Mark Warner’s bipartisan budget reforms.

In his announcement press conference, Rob Bell praised Cuccinelli. Reports from the announcement said he cozied up to Ken Cuccinelli several times and said he would continue to fight Cuccinelli’s ideological battles. Bell said at the press conference, “I hope I would have the same approach…”

“Ken Cuccinelli is not the only out-of-the-mainstream candidate running statewide this year,” Senator Mark Herring (Loudoun and Fairfax Counties) said. “Mark Obenshain and Rob Bell are competing to see who can be the next Cuccinelli.

“That’s not what Virginians want. They want a candidate who will take the politics out of the Attorney General’s office. That’s the type of Attorney General I’ll be,” Herring added.

Let’s take a look at the reasons why moderate business leaders are running away from Cuccinelli this week:

  • Cuccinelli continues to be obsessed with inserting himself in women’s health care decisions.
  • Cuccinelli opposed Governor Bob McDonnell’s transportation plan.

Now let’s take a look at the Rob Bell and Mark Obenshain’s voting records:

  • Both Bell and Obenshain supported the transvaginal ultrasound bill and opposed the repeal of those bills during the General Assembly session. They also supported Cuccinelli imposing harsh new restrictions on women’s health facilities and have extreme records when it comes to women’s health care.
  • Both Bell and Obenshain opposed Governor Bob McDonnell’s transportation plan.

 

Senators Saslaw, McEachin, Favola Review 2013 Legislative Session

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I just got off a conference call with Senators Dick Saslaw, Donald McEachin, and Barbara Favola, reviewing the 2013 Virginia General Assembly session. Here are a few highlights.

*Sen. Saslaw noted that it can’t be “immoral to take money from a government that’s broke” for Medicaid expansion if it’s ok to take money “from the same broke government” for “the sequester problem.”

*On Paul Goldman’s article in today’s Washington Post, arguing that the transportation bill is unconstitutional on a number of counts (e.g., taxes must be uniform across the Commonwealth for the same class of items), Saslaw cited the Metro tax on Northern Virginia 32 years ago as “definitely a precedent,” but in the end “we’ll have to wait and see how that plays out.”

*Saslaw argued that the regional packages are what really made the transportation bill attractive. Also, we at least “stopped the bleeding in the maintenance fund” for a while.

*On social issues, Saslaw felt that it was a “pretty good year” compared to what it could have been, especially compared to last year with the ultrasound bill. A lot of bad stuff was stopped this year.

*On Medicaid expansion, Saslaw argued that if Virginia doesn’t take the money, Republicans will effectively “hang a $2.2 billion health care bill on the businesses and the people of Virginia…it’s extremely anti-business, which is why the Chamber of Commerce, every major business group, the health care providers and insurers, everybody has been pushing for Medicaid expansion…” Thus, Republicans resisting Medicaid expansion are being “extremely anti-business,” in Saslaw’s view.

*Sen. Favola highlighted Democrats’ stopping “several bills that would have attempted to actually prohibit group insurance plans from covering contraception, sterilization, or abortion-inducing drugs.” Favola added that “most Virginians, I think, agree that contraception is here to stay, is actually a good thing from many levels, especially for the health of women and families…but these Republicans were trying to thwart the Affordable Care Act…we were able to stop them, so I think that’s a big win.”

*In general, Favola argued that Democrats “stood up for women, stood up for private relationships between a patient and her doctor...I just find it very interesting that the Republicans always always purport to be the party of…less intrusive government, but when it comes to women’s health care, they’re exactly the opposite.”

*Sen. McEachin said Democrats did have some setbacks, as Republicans defeated “our version of the Virginia DREAM Act…protection for LGBT Virginians…bans on high-capacity magazines…no excuse absentee voting...with no evidence of any voter fraud, they were able to pass more restrictive ID laws to allow people to get to the polls.”

*On the transportation plan, Sen. Saslaw said that if Gov. McDonnell makes any major changes, “they would be rejected by the Senate, and then he’d have to make the decision if he’s going to veto the whole bill or not.”

*On the hybrid fees, Sen. Saslaw strongly defended them, asking “why should people who are paying the gas tax subsidize the people who aren’t paying as much gas tax to use the roads, they’re both using the roads; now you’ve got hybrids coming out in full-size SUVs, full-size cars, these people are using the roads and they aren’t paying the tax…I know that not everybody on this phone call agrees me, but that’s the way it is.” Hmmm.

*On the Medicaid committee being tilted towards the Republicans, Sen. Saslaw said that it matters a great deal who wins the governor’s election, as “you can’t do anything until 2014 anyway,” and “the budget…[and therefore the] commission only lasts a year and a half.” If Terry McAuliffe becomes governor, Saslaw argued, then all this “becomes moot because [McAuliffe] can go ahead and notify [the federal government that Virginia will] go ahead with the expansion.

*Sen. McEachin argued that the wording in the Medicaid deal “actually put on paper” was that “the Department SHALL go forward to seek the waivers and to seek the reforms, there’s a fairly objective criterion what that means and what those items are, and when that happens, the commission SHALL not MAY – it’s not up to them – the commission SHALL [proceed] with the expansion of Medicaid.” McEachin added that AG Cuccinelli’s opinion, “dropped on us at the last minute…ironically…forced us to rewrite things a little bit…and it even got stronger for those of us who believe that Medicaid expansion is a good thing.”

*Julian Walker of the Virginian-Pilot pressed the Senators that there still seems to be “wiggle room” for those on the Medicaid commission who might oppose expansion. Senator Saslaw acknowledged that there’s “wiggle room,” just as you’d find in almost any bill, but “you can’t do anything until January 1, 2014 anyway, and by then you’ll have the results of a gubernatorial election which could render this mostly moot.

*Sen. Favola noted that “Republican governor after Republican governor have decided to participate in this Medicaid expansion program, so at some point people are going to sit back and maybe look at things objectively and not politically…and the facts are becoming clearer and clearer [that Medicaid expansion makes sense].”

*On the politics of the transportation bill (e.g., almost every Republican candidate running for governor, LG or AG opposing it; every Democrat running for governor, LG or AG supporting it), Sen. Saslaw got animated, saying “I’d LOVE to make this a referendum on transportation, that every Republican candidate for statewide office was opposed to transportation…and they can’t find one thing that they voted for, not one thing, they voted against every single plan – not one, not one, they didn’t vote for a single one; they can’t say well I was for this — bull@#$@ — they voted against every single plan, and they are opposed to any transportation improvements, that’s the issue, and they proved it with their vote…they didn’t want to do a thing!”

*Sen. McEachin added, sarcastically, that he “love[s] the opportunity to juxtapose [the Republican statewide candidates] against that radical left winger Bill Howell and that radical left winger Bob McDonnell.”

*On voter ID requirements, Sen. McEachin said he doesn’t know what Gov. McDonnell will do, but that “I would hope he would see that there’s no sense in doing this, that there’s no evidence of voter fraud,” and that the next automatic step would be review by the Justice Department under the Voting Rights Act.

Why the Republican Party Demonized President Obama

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( – promoted by lowkell)

Every political party wants its followers to stick with them and not their opponents. So it’s natural that a party will seek to discredit a leader from its opposition.  But today’s Republican Party went beyond the usual discrediting, and has sought to outright demonize Barack Obama.

Here’s my interpretation of why that is. It has three steps.

First, the Republican world constitutes a hierarchical society.

There are a number of ways of seeing this.  We can see it in the tremendous party discipline they have, compared to the Democrats.  Herding Republicans is not like herding cats.  The Republican Party is increasingly a party of the South, and for generations interpreters of American culture have been discussing the hierarchical nature of the culture of the American South.  Also, the hierarchical orientation of the Republican Party is shown also in many of the basic ideas — even of usual conservatism — about good order (top-down, rather than bottom-up).  

Second, in a hierarchical society, people are trained in the ethic that those lower in the hierarchy should obey those above, not question or challenge them.  

Of course, any American political party, as well as any American region, is not going to be 100% hierarchical.  That’s not the nature of a democracy, and not consistent with the national creed that enshrines liberty as one of the rights with which we’ve been endowed by our Creator.  But America contains other non-democratic, non-liberal components within in its culture, including older hierarchical values characteristic of the warrior code and of military organization.  Over the generations, especially in some parts of America, these components have instilled in a great many Americans the ethic of deference to those above.  So, to oversimplify some, for the member of a hierarchical society:  Who is above me in the hierarchy to whom I’m obliged to give some measure of credence, deference, and obedience?

Third, today’s Republican Party, having no interest in cooperation or compromise, but only in fighting for power, needs for its supporters to give President Obama zero standing and credibility.

The Republicans, as I’ve been saying throughout Obama’s presidency, have made a fight over everything.  They take absolutist positions on almost every issue, like guns and taxes –they even fight against ideas that used to be their own– because compromise is contrary to their whole political approach. If one’s way of doing politics is to wage a fight to the death, there can be no question of seeking the right balance between competing values and the contending positions of the different parties.  Compromise becomes a dirty word.  The result is that the Republicans don’t want their supporters to perceive the president as someone whose words they obliged to respect, lest they start weighing how much credence to give to his side of the argument.  That requires that the Republican base not see the president as legitimately above them in any hierarchy of which they are part.

As a result, the Republicans went to work immediately not just to discredit President Obama, but to demonize and delegitimate him.  From the beginning, they told tell their base, that he was not really their president, that he couldn’t be because he was born in Kenya.  Not only was he not a legitimate president, and therefore not truly one who outranks a loyal American citizen in the hierarchy, but he hates America and — Muslim terrorist with Nazi and Communistic purposes that they insinuated that he was — is out to destroy it.  Of course, Obama’s race made it that much easier to cast this president as a dangerous “other” who could not be one’s legitimate superior in the hierarchy.  

So, given the Republicans strategy not to help govern but to engage in an all-out struggle for political power, and given their supporters tendency to believe themselves obligated to give some loyalty and respect and obedience to their commander in chief, the Republicans had to make Obama out to be not just wrong on the issues, but wholly outside the boundaries of any “Us” that included their people.

Hence, the demonization of the president.

Afterword:  One of the major errors made by President Obama in his first years in office was his forfeiting completely what should have been a battle over this demonization.  By the time we got half way through Obama’s first term, an alarmingly large proportion of Republicans believed the demonizing lies the Republicans and their media allies had been promulgating.  It is unlikely there is any chance at this point that the roughly one-third of Americans that constitute the Republican base could be persuaded to reconsider the demonized portrait they were given then.

Andy Schmookler, an award-winning author, political commentator, radio talk-show host, and teacher, was the Democratic nominee for Congress from Virginia’s 6th District.  He is the author of various books including Out of Weakness: Healing the Wounds that Drive Us to War.

Virginia News Headlines: Tuesday Morning

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Here are a few Virginia (and national) news headlines, political and otherwise, for Tuesday, February 26. Also, check out the audio of former State Senator Russ Potts (R) calling out Ken Cuccinelli for being an extremist. How could any reasonable Republican (or independent) support Cuckoo for Governor? Got me.

*Va. shipyard latest setting for Obama sequester strategy

*C. Everett Koop Dead: Former Surgeon General Dies At 96 (Perhaps the most well known, well respected Surgeon General ever. RIP.)

*Michelle Obama Presents Oscar, Right-Wing Heads Explode (Including the nasty, vicious right-wing troll Jennifer Rubin at the Washington/Kaplan Post.)

*The House of Pain (“Can Eric Cantor, the Republican Majority Leader, redeem his party and himself?”)

*Sequester Misfire: Eric Cantor’s World of Warcraft Nonsense (“In search of wasteful government spending, Eric Cantor sets his pants on fire.”)

*Eric Cantor, the Unluckiest Gambler

*Republicans have only themselves to blame for the sequester (Exactly!)

*On Spending, Why Won’t Republicans Take Yes for an Answer?

*A model to avert the coming sequester

*Ken Cuccinelli ripped by business leaders

*Rich donors yell at Ken Cuccinelli for being too nutty (“The likely Republican nominee for Virginia governor has a tense meeting with the money people”)

*Lt. Gov. Bolling May Shake up Gubernatorial Race

*Virginia elites seek savior in governor’s race (“A collection of prominent Virginia business leaders, dismayed by a 2013 governor’s race they view as a contest between a Democratic fixer and a Republican ideologue, are scrambling to draft a third contender into the race to run as an independent.”)

*Bolling Keeps Mum on Decision to Run for Governor

*Transportation, the ‘Virginia Way’

*McDonnell’s Bad Transportation Deal

*Examiner Local Editorial: Nothing ‘revenue neutral’ about transportation bill

*Va. congressmen: Budget cuts unlikely to be stopped

*Republican LG candidates blast road tax legislation (I’m pretty much “meh” on the transportation deal, but I’m really, really enjoying watching Republicans lose their minds that EVILTAXES went up! LOL)

*AG candidate Herring releases online ad (Excellent ad; this guy’s going to be our next AG, and I’m very happy about that!)

*Virginia shows Maryland how transportation funding can be done (The Kaplan/Washington Post seriously believes that Virginia’s doing a better job on transportation funding than Maryland? By cutting the gas tax? These people seriously have their heads up their hindquarters…)

*Va.’s transportation bill is unconstitutional (Verrrry interesting. Will this be the second major Virginia transportation package in half a dozen years partly, or fully, be thrown out in court? Stay tuned…)

*Republican Rep. Rigell to travel with Obama on Air Force One (“President Obama finally has a Republican standing with him on the sequester: Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell, who will travel with him Tuesday to Newport News, a White House official said.”)

*In Newport News shipyard, looming budget cuts create anxiety and anger

*Fairfax City ready to join Fairfax County water; water wars may be over

*Motorist who drove off Memorial Bridge into Potomac expected to survive

Tell Gov. Bob To Veto The Hybrid Tax

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Delegate Scott Surovell and Senator Adam Ebbin (D-Awesomeness) have created a petition to urge Governor McDonnell to “Veto the Hybrid Tax”!  The immediate goal is to get the governor to use his line item veto to remove this anti-clean energy provision from the transportation bill.

Whether this works or not, keep in mind the equally important goal of demonstrating the power of those who support clean energy and sustainability policy — of which Virginia remains one of the most backward states, and not getting any better.  Unless we speak up now, we — and future generations — will continue to be ignored.

As Del. Surovell summarizes the reasons to kill the green car tax, in an email to supporters

This is bad policy.

The Hybrid Tax punishes saving energy. Virginia needs to create incentives to encourage energy conservation so America can be energy independent. Most states are giving tax credits for hybrid purchases, not punishing owners.

The Hybrid Tax is a punitive tax.  The typical hybrid vehicle saves less than $35 per year in gas taxes – a $100 annual fee has no relationship to anything.  

The Hybrid Tax is unfair.  There are many non-hybrid vehicles that get better MPG than hybrids.  They don’t pay the tax.  This indiscriminately picks on one technology.

Hybrid owners already pay their fair share.  Hybrids already cost 10% more than other cars and there is no personal property tax phaseout for vehicles worth more than $20,000.  

The Hybrid Tax will barely generate revenue.  There are only 92,000 hybrids in Virginia – 1.3% of the entire vehicle fleet.  

The Hybrid Tax picks on Northern Virginia.  83% of Virginia clean fuel plates are registered in Northern Virginia.  This is one more example of Northern Virginia being used as a statewide piggy bank.

I like the spirit of these guys, fighting well into overtime for what’s right.  Please take just a minute to join them and add your name to the list.  

You Play To Win The Game: 55 Virginia House of Delegates Republicans Currently Unopposed

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( – promoted by lowkell)

George Allen loved sports metaphors. Now that he's history, I'm taking them back.

Imagine, if you will, that you're Frank Beamer, legendary coach of the Virginia Tech Hokies and Hillsville, VA native. Say that you just had a disappointing season (like, say, last season). You're Frank Beamer. You're not going to let it happen again. To make matters worse, you know you'll have an empty roster due to graduations, transfers, underclassmen declaring for the NFL draft, etc. Through some horrible stroke of misfortune, you now see that you're going to only have 20 players (unbelievable, but stay with me here)! You can't even take the field with a full offense or defense (never mind any players that may want to play both ways, it's not feasible today). You MUST go out and recruit in advance of this potentially disastrous situation.

So what would you call a college football program that doesn't even bother to recruit enough players to not only fill the roster, but even start the game?

You would call them a team not playing to win. In other words, losers.

So what do you call a political party that needs 51 seats (in the Virginia House of Delegates) to pass anything in its agenda that only runs 43 candidates?

As of today, we have 43 Democratic House of Delegates candidates either currently in office and not saying they will retire or challenging current Republicans. I applaud the 12 brave Democrats who have stepped up to challenge sitting Republicans, some of whom are challenging entrenched incumbents with multiple terms of experience in very red districts. At least 5 are running in districts President Obama won in 2012.

 

Now we can talk about how hard it is to run or how it's impossible to turn out younger, minority, and recent immigrant voters in off-year elections, or how the House of Delegates is a part-time job only so few people can afford to undertake, but we have leaders who are supposed to know all of this and still try to work to solve it. It's been done. The Republicans have done it. Why not us?

I'm especially disappointed that there are no challengers in the 12th, 13th, 32nd, and 67th districts. Each one was an Obama district in 2012. Each one either had a Democrat sitting in it recently (under different, but not that different lines) or has a Bob Marshall sitting in it currently (what more to say about him?).

The 12th is especially egregious. Obama won it. A Democrat held it for years. It's centered on a college town. It was even drawn to make sure it took in all the Democratic preceints in the area so that no Republican around it would have to worry! And there it is, with a freshman Republican who's only 26, who supported Bob Marshall's bill to have Virginia mint its own currency…running unopposed. I've seen some of the local Democratic leaders chatting up this delegate's weakness and their desire to take back the district. So…where's the challenger? Where's DPVA on all of this? Where's the House caucus?

I hope this gets a conversation started. Upset? You should be. You should be upset that, for so long, the House has been able to set the legislative agenda, giving us the bills that have made us a laughingstock. The Medicaid panel nominations from this weekend are typical of what will continue to happen as long as we aren't competitive in the House.

You play to win the game, and if we won't compete for control of the legislative agenda, why bother?

The filing deadline is March 28th. 

UPDATE: I was reminded by lowkell that Terry McAuliffe promised in 2009 that NO CANDIDATE considering running for the House of Delegates should be worried about money in balking at running. Is the same true for 2013? If he wants to be an effective governor and actually hope at eventually getting any preferred policy through, both in his term and in the future, he better be serious about that. 

Audio: Russ Potts (R) Says Ken Cuccinelli’s “as radical or more so” than Bob Marshall

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Former Virginia State Senator Russ Potts (R), who ran for governor in 2005 as an independent, was on the Kojo Nnamdi Show this past Wednesday, and he had some choice things to say about the Republican Party and Ken Cuccinelli. In this segment, Potts says that Cuccinelli is “every bit as radical or more so than Bob Marshall,” who I like to call “Sideshow Bob” for his rabid insanity. For a few of Sideshow Bob’s greatest hits, click here. With that, here’s Russ Potts. (h/t: Ryan Nobles)

I do want to touch on something y’all were saying earlier, you were talking about a lot of the radical legislation by Bob Marshall. Well, I can assure you, I served in the Senate for 8 years with Ken Cuccinelli, and he was every bit as radical or more so than Bob Marshall, and there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Bob Marshall and Ken Cuccinelli in terms of a radical, out-of-the-mainstream legislator.

Politico: “Ken Cuccinelli ripped by business leaders”

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This article really says it all:

Two prominent northern Virginia business leaders got into a heated exchange with Virginia Republican gubernatorial hopeful Ken Cuccinelli in front of a few hundred top GOP donors at a closed-door meeting Friday, multiple sources told POLITICO.

Bobbie Kilberg, a longtime Republican donor and CEO of Northern Virginia Technology Council, and Gary Shapiro, CEO of the Arlington-based Consumer Electronics Association, stood up separately to confront Cuccinelli about what is on the minds of many Virginia and national Republicans: whether the Tea Party-backed attorney general can, or wants to, run a pragmatic campaign in the increasingly moderate Old Dominion.

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[Gary] Shapiro spoke up next and was even tougher on Cuccinelli. As a hushed room looked on, Shapiro, who sits on the board of the influential Northern Virginia Technology Council, said the state’s centrist-oriented business community won’t back the Republican standard-bearer because he’s out of the mainstream.

Gary just slammed him,” said one attendee.

This article is a must read, certainly by every business leader or owner in Virginia, not to mention every voter in Virginia. What baffles me is how anyone, other than the most extreme right-wing nutjob, could support Kookinelli. Sure, I can understand how Republicans and conservatives would support Bill Bolling, although obviously I disagree with them. But at least Bolling is sane. Kookinelli? The nickname says it all: the guy’s completely bonkers, one of the most extreme and bizarro politicians in America, along with people like Todd “Legitimate Rape” Akin, Richard “Another Crazy Comment About Rape” Mourdoch, Christine “I am not a witch” O’Donnell, Rand “Aqua Buddha” Paul, etc. The bottom line: if we want to make Virginia completely unattractive to new residents and businesses, let’s elect a guy who bashes LGBT people, who thinks government should be telling women (and men) what contraception they can and can’t use, who denies science and persecutes scientists because he doesn’t “like” their findings (too freakin’ bad, dude, that’s not the way it works in this country!), who politicizes everything to the max, who demonizes the government, who makes Virginia national laughingstock, who would never raise a penny in revenues for anything (e.g., education, roads), etc. No thanks!

My $95 Flu Shot

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FluShotBillSteven Brill has a must-read cover story in Time this week detailing how the federal government’s refusal to set rates for procedures, services and products means we all pay more for health care. I found this out first-hand last fall when my doctor tried to charge me $95 for a flu shot.

I was in for a routine physical and mentioned, “One of these days I need to go to CVS and get a flu shot.” She said, “Oh, I can give you one right now.” She grabbed a vaccine and gave me the shot – the whole process lasted about a minute. There was no discussion of price – I assumed it was either free or they’d charge me what the pharmacy does, about $25.

A month later I got the bill you see here.  

My health insurance provider doesn’t cover flu shots at all, so I called the doctor’s office and told them I had no intention of paying $95 for a flu shot. I said I’d pay the $33 for the shot, but not $62 for the privilege of getting it. It took another call to remind the office, but they took it off my bill.

Considering the flu costs $10.4 billion in treatment alone annually, never mind untold billions in lost productivity, we shouldn’t be charging people for flu shots at all – we should be giving them away. But we invest precious little in preventive care – there’s no money to be made in keeping people healthy.

It’s just one tiny window into the unnecessarily high costs of America’s health care system as our multi-payer system offers multiple chances for graft. A single-payer, Medicare-for-all style system would provide much more effective cost-control and oversight. Obamacare takes some steps in the right direction, but the Obama administration chose to cut the best deal they could with insurance companies rather than take them on.

The best health care in the world? Please. Whenever I hear that, I know the person talking has a staffer to make their appointments, has never had to wait hours for treatment, and never has to sort out their own bills.